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Post by Inkweaver on Jan 19, 2011 21:55:43 GMT -5
D'aww...well tell Rattles I said thank you! I mean unless she's within a 2 foot vicinity anyway.
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Post by Shrineart on Jan 20, 2011 22:42:21 GMT -5
It's about 2 1/2 ft but why quibble? XD
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Post by Inkweaver on Jan 20, 2011 22:43:19 GMT -5
True, no quibbling.
Now Shrine, what are your thoughts on stitchpunk "heaven"?
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Post by Shrineart on Jan 20, 2011 23:54:56 GMT -5
Well, in Rag N Bone there isn't really one. When all of them die they form the original soul that they had been.
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Post by JJ on Jan 21, 2011 2:29:20 GMT -5
Guys, please do stay on topic  There's a huge gaping Fanworks section just itching for discussions like this. I always figured that since they are not biological creatures, a Stitchpunk lifespan is eternal unless something were to happen to them to force the soul to separate from the body. Whether it permeates their entire frame or is contained within a device or metal 'vital organ', I'm not sure. They can always patch themselves up, create new fabric hides and replacement parts for themselves, and given the nature of how they came to be, may even be able to transfer the soul into a new body. Like a hermit crab leaving its old shell for a newer and better one. I quite like the theory of a split soul only going to Heaven when all fragments of it are together, though it does bring to question whether the Stitchpunks are souls and beings in themselves, and not just part of a person. And what about 'wandering' souls? Stitchpunk 'ghosts'? I do have my own theory on these things, but it's going to be a PM-me-if-you-want-to-know thing  I don't want to clog up the thread. |
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Post by Inkweaver on Jan 21, 2011 9:33:57 GMT -5
Sorry JJ, RagnBone just grabbed hold of me  Anyway, I do agree on the hermit-crab statement, and I feel that as the stitchpunk itself learns and changes, the soul does sort of become something of it's own. It's just like when creating a character, you give them a base, but then they make it something all it's own. I had originally had a theory that after a certain amount of time the soul has grown enough to be larger then what stitchpunks started with, and is sort of like their kind of puberty, allowing them to have a developed soul that is ready to produce offspring. |
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Post by Athneyn on Feb 3, 2011 5:54:39 GMT -5
My theory is that the souls are basically tethered to the stitchpunk bodies, which means that if they fall apart too much, the soul will get untethered and sort of...go away? Like when a human dies, where their soul goes. I dunno. I also think that the souls would sort of grow, like after a little bit, they wouldn't be just fragments of a soul, they'd be a soul in and of themselves. So, they could possibly live forever, if they kept their bodies in good condition.
And that be my two cents.
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Post by Jazz on Mar 29, 2011 11:38:12 GMT -5
What a topic. It requires a good deal of thought, it can go several ways, and it's very pertinent. This is the sort of thing I like to think about! I've been reading everyone's thoughts on this, and now I've got a few ideas of my own. it's a bit of a resurrection, but it's still on the first page in the movie thread section, so I hope it's OK. So far there are a lot of theories on what would physically cause a stitchpunk to die...but what about, um, non-physically? After such a long time of living, would a stitchpunk just be done with life? I certainly don't know firsthand, since I'm only fifteen, but I've heard and read that as we get older and our bodies wear down and we've seen a lot of what life has to offer, we become, well, I don't know if 'complacent' is the right word, but we don't mind so much about dying. This makes a lot of sense to me, personally. In addition, if we're living in a lot of pain, we might even look forward to dying and getting away from that. If someone we love has passed on before and we believe in reuniting with them in an afterlife of some sorts, then that might also factor into it. Why wouldn't it work the same way for stitchpunks, even if their bodies are still in good condition? After living a thousand years (and I do think they can live forever physically as long as they take care of themselves), I can't imagine that there would be a terrible amount of things left to do in the world. Maybe after all that living, they'd just be ready to go. (For any Tolkien geeks out there, think of Eru's Gift to Men and the way the Elves feel about it.) Which brings on a new question. In the case of that sort of peaceful death, would something be needed to release the soul from the body? Would they have to use the Talisman, for example? Or would there just be an end? I personally...have no idea. |
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Post by redwhistle on Mar 29, 2011 21:16:31 GMT -5
I could have sworn I posted in this thread... maybe it was another thread. Or maybe I just hallucinated. XD Anyway, my personal view is that they wouldn't last indefinitely, but they should be able to easily outlast a human lifespan with proper maintenance. Anywhere between 150 to 200 years would be my guess. So far there are a lot of theories on what would physically cause a stitchpunk to die...but what about, um, non-physically? After such a long time of living, would a stitchpunk just be done with life? Glad to see I'm not the only one having these horribly morbid thoughts. XD But yeah, I've always loved this idea, especially since you could argue that it's spiritual forces keeping them alive just as much as physical ones. If they got to the point where they were just too worn out to keep going -- physically or mentally, or both -- I could totally see them "giving up the ghost," and I don't think they'd need to do anything special, like with the Talisman or anything. I think they'd just... lay down and die. CHEERFUL, YES? XD And yet I somehow never likened it to the Elves and the Gift of Men. Which I totally should have BECAUSE IT'S FREAKING BRILLIANT. *exalts for delicious geekery* |
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Post by Jazz on Mar 29, 2011 22:36:32 GMT -5
LOL, red, I should have put "(redwhistle, if you're reading this, I'm lookin' at you)" in the middle of that sentence. I KNOW, RIGHT?! What's the body without a soul? Even in human terms, it's dead. If the body's not organic, it's, to use a 9 term, a Machine. The necessity of the Talisman would certainly complicate things, because then someone would have to be around to release them from it - and I'm thinking of 9 here, because as the youngest he'd likely be around for x amount of years after 7 and the twins died (working, of course, within the viewpoint that they die). And it makes sense to me that as the will to live dissolves, so does...whatever might bind it to the body, therefore rendering the Talisman unnecessary. THANK GOODNESS FOR SMALL BLESSINGS: 9 won't be trapped in the Talisman forever. *relieved sigh* And thanks for the exalt! Bringing Tolkien into any and all things is totally how I roll. P.S. I am working on your latest review... |
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Post by redwhistle on Mar 30, 2011 2:07:03 GMT -5
LOL, red, I should have put "(redwhistle, if you're reading this, I'm lookin' at you)" in the middle of that sentence. ;) LIKE YOU EVEN NEEDED TO. XDDD The necessity of the Talisman would certainly complicate things, because then someone would have to be around to release them from it - and I'm thinking of 9 here, because as the youngest he'd likely be around for x amount of years after 7 and the twins died (working, of course, within the viewpoint that they die). I agree, the idea that the last one alive would remain trapped forever, simply because there would be no one left to release them, would be impossibly bleak. But I love bleak, so I think it's an awesome idea. XD I would actually love to see a fic where this happens. As far as them dying... the way it works in my head is that they can die just as humans can. Physical death for them would be when their machinery stopped working completely (whether from trauma, or after a slow decline). At that point, their souls would do the same thing a human's would when a human died. Whatever that is. XD I KNOW, RIGHT?! What's the body without a soul? Even in human terms, it's dead. If the body's not organic, it's, to use a 9 term, a Machine. Most definitely! We've already seen that their bodies can't live without their souls, even if they're in perfect condition. So I love the idea that they can die a sort of "spiritual" death as well. As far as lifespan goes, I think the upper limit would be physical. Just like any other device or life form, there would be a point where they would simply break down, no matter how strong their will to live. Nothing lasts forever. But in the end, none of us know exactly what kind of machinery the dolls are made from, the process that brought them to life, or even the exact nature of the souls themselves. Which I think is great, because it means we get to MAKE SHIT UP. :D |
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Post by Jazz on Mar 30, 2011 13:55:22 GMT -5
I agree, the idea that the last one alive would remain trapped forever, simply because there would be no one left to release them, would be impossibly bleak. But I love bleak, so I think it's an awesome idea. XD I would actually love to see a fic where this happens. The good news? I KNOW ONE! The bad news? ...I don't know where to find it again. I'll get back to you on that, with any luck. FWEE for making shit up! Perhaps that's one of the reasons why this is such a crazy forum: we have leeway in which we can go wild, and we tend to take the opportunity. XD I admit that my idea that the stitchies could live as long as they wanted to (physically, at least) is mostly wishful thinking. But given the laws of the universe, you know, what comes up must come down and all that, their lives, just like everything else, are finite.  |
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Post by redwhistle on Mar 31, 2011 12:37:56 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with a little wishful thinking! That's what fanfiction basically is, right? XD
I don't actually think it's that big a stretch to say they could live a long, long time, maybe even forever. You could totally work it so that it'd be plausible. Just think about all the immortal organic life there is in fiction LIKE OH, SAY, TOLKIEN'S ELVES. So why couldn't a blend of magic and machinery be immortal, too?
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Post by Jazz on Mar 31, 2011 19:11:21 GMT -5
Well, with the Elves there was Valinor... I could say a lot more on that subject, but I think it would be rather prudent not to. ;P Considering that the stitchpunks are partly magical in nature (the Dark Science was a lie! it's really magic  ), I totally see your point there. And I certainly would like them to be able to live forever, physically at least. I like my world populated, thanks very much, even if it's only by four stitches and the little green things in the water. Another part of my wishful thinking: now that there's life on Earth again, it's going to need some guidance. You know, to teach things in order to avoid past mistakes and all that. And who better to take the job than 9 and Co.? You know what...you might have just given me a plot bunny. I'll have to remember that train of thought. Awesome canon flexibility FTW! |
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Post by Elsen on May 3, 2011 20:17:56 GMT -5
I agree with the initial post. I kind of think that they won't die unless they are killed or are extremely unkempt and fall apart.. And even then I'm not sure if their body would lose the soul inside of it. Perhaps when a body wears out they could build another one and somehow put their soul into it? I'm not sure XDD
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There's a huge gaping Fanworks section just itching for discussions like this.
I don't want to clog up the thread.
), I totally see your point there. And I certainly would like them to be able to live forever, physically at least. I like my world populated, thanks very much, even if it's only by four stitches and the little green things in the water. Another part of my wishful thinking: now that there's life on Earth again, it's going to need some guidance. You know, to teach things in order to avoid past mistakes and all that. And who better to take the job than 9 and Co.?
