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Post by NightRunner on Aug 14, 2010 3:05:07 GMT -5
Well, Stars (mind if I call you that? ^^; ), in my thoughts, a 50 year gap does make sense. If the airborne poison was out long enough, gravity would've eventually kicked in and the poison would seep into the ground, making the plant like harder to grow. Secondly, if it killed off /everything/ as 1 states, wouldn't the little microbes that decompose dead things also have died off? That would explain the lack of decomposition on the human remains and possibly why there was no plant life. [/size]
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Post by CloverWolf on Aug 14, 2010 7:02:35 GMT -5
Ah, thank you Night, and Castoro, I was just about to say that. ^^;
Oh, and sis also mentioned that only iron derivatives will rust. (She's researched this all. XD) Or, so she thinks. So steel and certain other metals would be fine in those conditions for that many years.
Plus, at the end of the movie, everyone seems pretty amazed by the rain, as if they haven't seen it before. Moisture makes metal rust, and if it's been non-existent for that long, (I'm guessing the poison gas messed up the earth worse then global warming, causing the weather patterns to be out of whack) then even if they could rust, then there would be a very small chance of it.
^^; Sorry about correcting your theory, but I just had to put that out there.
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Post by Pazam on Aug 14, 2010 7:53:44 GMT -5
I think there is a lesson to learn about 9. The most dangerous machine; even worse than the Fabrication Machine, is a human.
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Post by ~*~ShadowFox~*~ on Aug 14, 2010 7:58:15 GMT -5
^ Pazam, that is awesome.
*Geek/Nerd Alert*
Actually, Clover, I'm not so sure now. 8\ I read somewhere that only iron can rust, and now I'm reading that all metals can rust. Oxidation, it's called. *shrugs*
There was a documentary on a while ago called Life After People (excellent documentary - I'd highly recommend it). It mentioned that metallic structures, when taken care of, can last for decades, even centuries. Meaning most, if not all the structures wouldn't last, but what about the stitchpunks? They would be able to take care of themselves, replace joints, and what not.
Even if they didn't or couldn't take care of themselves, the documentary describes metal structures lasting for . . . *checks documentary* Oh. Around 50 years. XD
(@ 2:33)
These are also structures that are laying dormant for years, exposed to moisture and sometimes, plant life. In the the world we're interested in, there is no moisture or plant life to speak of, plus the metallic structures are moving and protected by the fabric. Point in case, I hope they maintain themselves.
. . . I'm such a research freak. XD
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Post by Azvolrien on Aug 14, 2010 9:03:43 GMT -5
Chemistry ho! All metals can oxidise (combine with oxygen) but only ferrous metals rust. The Statue of Liberty, for example, is green because the copper it's made of has oxidised, and that entertaining reaction you get when you put sodium in water is the metal reacting rapidly with the oxygen. Rust is iron oxide, so only iron and its alloys such as steel can rust. Steel is an alloy of iron and carbon, often with other metals in there as well to reduce its susceptibility to rust or to increase its strength or whatever.
<_< >_>
*slinks out*
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Post by Annadesu on Aug 14, 2010 13:51:36 GMT -5
SCIENCE! But seriously, that's all true. I think they would be able to repair themselves, though (they do so in the movie). Of course, some injuries could be too bad to fix, but if it was just general maintenance, I'm sure they would last a while
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Post by Illi-Snowflake on Aug 14, 2010 17:44:26 GMT -5
Interesting points. Actually, that "Life After Man" special is something I was wanting to watch since it seems similar to "9" (plus, I'm a sci-fi lova' ;P) I don't know much about metal preservation. I did think that the stitchpunks could repair themselves, but some things are evidently too difficult to repair (like 5's eye?). Still, the bodies are a bit odd. It is possible that the gas could have some preserving effect, but it still doesn't explain how the scientist's body was that well preserved in an environment where he could stay safe from the toxic gas long enough to create 9. Ultimately the question I have now is how long can stitchpunks live anyway? My (entirely fictional, but it sticks) theory is that if each of the stitchpunks's souls is a ninth of the scientist's life force, they would only be able to live a ninth of a normal human lifespan. Now, I'm formulating on an average life span of a person from the 1940's, but that would be about 60 years (see life expectancy tab here: kclibrary.lonestar.edu/decade40.html), which, divided by 9 is roughly around 7, so they would probably only live 7-10 years. *Sweats* I hate math, but that was something I followed for a while: Life force / 9 = s years of life (get it, s for stitchpunk?) Again though, totally fictional formula. For all I know they can live forever, but I just have a hard time believing that their life forces would last that long.
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Post by Illi-Snowflake on Aug 14, 2010 17:56:10 GMT -5
Ugh...that link didn't work. Just look up "Life expectancy by decade" and you should find it. The calculations were 68.2 years for females (7's got an edge, perhaps?) and 60.8 years for males. That's America of course, I don't know about Europe. And yeah, I rounded up to make the calculations, but that's how I do math. Logic and simplicity over exact calculations...thus why I fail tests, but have a good sense of logic. blah.
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Post by BazookaNeon on Aug 14, 2010 22:55:28 GMT -5
Your saying 9 has only 10 more years to live (He spent his fifty asleep) and 7 has 18? Wow...that's a sad way to live! Wait...first we go into awakening date...now we go into death date? O.o
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Post by Bane on Aug 17, 2010 18:27:56 GMT -5
I don't really have anything else to put that no one has brought up, except this:
9 is basically Anachronism Stew. The time line is all over the place because it is an AU with a never ending industrial revolution. We have to keep in mind some things (like Over the Rainbow) could have appeared YEARS before or after they did in our world).
Other than that, I think we're getting close to finding out the real date!
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Post by Illi-Snowflake on Aug 18, 2010 1:14:41 GMT -5
I love that answer! By the way, I'm sorry if I started off on a bad foot, everybody. It wasn't a very good way to make a first impression on this place by throwing out my speculation and other yadda yadda!
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Post by ~*~ShadowFox~*~ on Aug 18, 2010 8:19:56 GMT -5
Hey, Star, don't worry about it. ^^ We're not thinking negatively of you because you have an opinion - we're not like other internet places because of that. XD
As for what you said, Bane, that's so true. XD The commentary mentioned that batteries weren't even supposed to be created for another 30-40 years if the movie DID take place in 1939.
Then again, I think one of the newspapers had the date of 1936 on it . . . and seeing as the course of the world's demise took place over 3 months, then that's another possible date too.
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Post by CloverWolf on Aug 18, 2010 8:30:38 GMT -5
Ah, it's okay Stars *huggles*
But yes, what Bane and Shadow said is right. Because, don't you think if they can make gigantic war machines, they would be capable of making electrical watches or something? XD
So 9 is basically an AU where technology started to advance earlier then in this Universe. . . ^^ I think that's pretty cool.
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Post by 6&7/MLP Fan on Aug 24, 2010 8:28:01 GMT -5
Heh, as for the metal degrading and what-not...that wouldn't help the ol' CatBeast much in the sneakin around dept. ^^; SQUEAK, CREAK, SQUEAK Speaking of this, what the heck kept the CatBeast from rusting away to nothing? Did it somehow find a way to lube itself up or something? A kitty oil change station XD And what powered that sucker for so long, anyway? Solar, maybe? And as for there being no water...what about the fountain they floated 2 away in? ^^
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Post by Bane on Aug 25, 2010 20:44:06 GMT -5
Well, wouldn't rust need something to make it grow? I don't know how rust really works, but I don't think it would grow under certain conditions.
Who knows what powered it for so long... *has a morbid thought* Energy from the souls the Fabrication Machine may have previously sucked?
As for the fountain, it... didn't evaporate because... uh... it wasn't hot enough? Yeah, I'm wingin it.
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