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Post by kisame52 on Oct 28, 2009 18:47:31 GMT -5
Couple of things I noticed
1- when 5's map escapes him it goes flying past the sticking up wood and past the cave, however when 7 comes by and sees it, the map is stuck on the wodden piece and infront of the cave
2- scientist quote "It was born purley from my intellect, and now I realise that was not enough" sooo...did he just call himself stupid?
3- when the BRAIN explodes and 1, 3, 4, 7, & 9 go flying out of their hiding place. 1 is shown with his broken hand
-but when his spirit/soul thing is shown, its fixed.
now if you try to argue with something like "maybe it got fixaed cause he was dead?"
heres something else to consider: how come 5's eye wasnt back to normal?
I'm pretty sure there were more, I just can't remember them at the moment ^^;
(sorry for any spelling errors)
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Post by Annadesu on Oct 28, 2009 19:20:10 GMT -5
I know 7 has a temper, but I don't think she would hurt her own back on purpose. XD But hey, you can do whatever you want with fanfiction.  |
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Post by Pickle on Oct 28, 2009 23:40:41 GMT -5
There was really no other way to wake up the fab machine, I'm afraid. Someone had to stick the talisman in there. XD 9 is a bit impulsive... and yes, it is his best and worst quality. But that's kind of the point of his character: He doesn’t know what's going on, and he wants to find out. He doesn’t have the same view of the world as the others do, because he hasn't been alive that long. That's not to say he didn't act stupidly, because he did... but I personally can't hate him for it. I think 7 would have realized BEFORE ripping herself that a hole in the back was not a grand idea. XD!! Maybe she got it from the catbeast, and the twins healed her up? Someone needs to ask Shane about this in an interview. >=( Are you sure there'd be no other way? How was the Fabrication machine awake before it had the talismen? I may not be seeing it right, but I don't see it during the projection the twins played.... I would've thought the talismen was just another power source for it, using the souls at least. I really like the character 9, and it kinda makes me mad when people talk about how stupid he was |D; I mean, as I said, 2 showed a lot of interest in the talismen, and maybe 9 thought it was a good thing because of his interest. I mean, couldn't others say other characters were stupid for getting curious? 5 was curious about the records, and decided to run after it. One could argue he didn't know the Fabrication machine was awakened, but 9 didn't see the cat beast trying to insert into the Fab machine, so he didn't know. (Don't mistake me for dissing 5, I'm just saying you can kinda compare their situations. I love 5 too, I'm just saying that some others mademistakes that involved curiousity.) I know everyone has probablt noticed this, but they don't close their eyes all the way when they blink. ...Why DO they even blink? Does it clean off the glass or something? |D; EDIT: Nevermind, they do close all the way |D; Couple of things I noticed 1- when 5's map escapes him it goes flying past the sticking up wood and past the cave, however when 7 comes by and sees it, the map is stuck on the wodden piece and infront of the cave 2- scientist quote "It was born purley from my intellect, and now I realise that was not enough" sooo...did he just call himself stupid? 3- when the BRAIN explodes and 1, 3, 4, 7, & 9 go flying out of their hiding place. 1 is shown with his broken hand -but when his spirit/soul thing is shown, its fixed. now if you try to argue with something like "maybe it got fixaed cause he was dead?" heres something else to consider: how come 5's eye wasnt back to normal? I'm pretty sure there were more, I just can't remember them at the moment ^^; (sorry for any spelling errors) 1. I don't remember it showing it in front of the cave again, so it could've gotten caught on another piece of jutting wood. 2. No, he said it wasn't enough because, although he was smart, because it lacked a soul, it could be corrupted. He wasn't saying his intellect wasn't "smart enough" (Crappy wording, sorry) 3. Someone earlier already noticed that hand was behind his back while he was his soul. And even if his hand wasn't broken on his soul, the patch kind of became apart of 5. After all, they ARE sewn, so something else sewn should be on their soul, right? |
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Post by Bane on Oct 28, 2009 23:49:53 GMT -5
I love 9 too, but personally? I think he's an idiot. Or at least lacking enough experience for common sense. For more than just awaking Mr. Fab. Still love him though!
I think the Talisman was the only way to wake up Mr. Fab because it took the energy of the souls. I don't think the Cat Beast was smart enough to hot wire something to it...
Huh, I never noticed that they don't close all the way... that's a pretty good eye you've got!
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Post by Pickle on Oct 29, 2009 0:33:48 GMT -5
I love 9 too, but personally? I think he's an idiot. Or at least lacking enough experience for common sense. For more than just awaking Mr. Fab. Still love him though! I think the Talisman was the only way to wake up Mr. Fab because it took the energy of the souls. I don't think the Cat Beast was smart enough to hot wire something to it... Huh, I never noticed that they don't close all the way... that's a pretty good eye you've got! Just because someone is uninformed doesn't make them an idiot though =o Like... I probably know almost nothing about, say, designing a computer. I dont consider myself an idiot though.... Well, it knew what to do with the talismen, so why couldn't it be able to make some sort of make-shift generator attached to it or something? And the Fab machine WAS "alive" before it had the souls, so.... (Sorry I'm talking about this so much |D; I just feel people aren't giving 9 enough credit... ) |
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Post by Annadesu on Oct 29, 2009 8:18:54 GMT -5
The fab machine might have needed souls to keep running... I'm not really sure. But Mr. Fab was asleep for a very long time, and only woke up after 9 used the talisman on him. It’s also suggested (in the scientist’s journal) that the rebels took the talisman out of the fabrication machine before humanity ended…The catbeast also recognized it when 2 dropped it, and had a special slot in his neck to carry it… So I’m going to assume that the talisman was necessary for the fabrication machine to be awakened, or stay awake for a long period of time.
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Post by Pickle on Oct 29, 2009 10:05:03 GMT -5
The fab machine might have needed souls to keep running... I'm not really sure. But Mr. Fab was asleep for a very long time, and only woke up after 9 used the talisman on him. It’s also suggested (in the scientist’s journal) that the rebels took the talisman out of the fabrication machine before humanity ended…The catbeast also recognized it when 2 dropped it, and had a special slot in his neck to carry it… So I’m going to assume that the talisman was necessary for the fabrication machine to be awakened, or stay awake for a long period of time. Well, still. If 9 hadn't have made the decision to go after 2 in the first place, the cat beast would've awakened the Fab machine with the talismen, and they would'nt be expecting it so... |D; Another thing you could compare 9's situation is, if 2 wou;d've given the talismen back to 9, the cat beast wouldn't have gotten it, and I doubt 9 would've brought it on the mission. But we all know 2 isn't an idiot. Just to say something to stay on topic, if you notic, 8's sword has a small peg on it for a handle. It'd kinda make you wonder why it was able to stay on the knife all the time. Well, if you were to break open the handle of a real knife, there's actually a little peg in there that looks like the handle in 8's knife/ sword. |
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Post by Annadesu on Oct 29, 2009 10:32:16 GMT -5
2's final words also suggested that none of them knew what it did... So if 9 hadn't put it in when he did, someone else might have done the same thing at a later time. They’re wiser, but not perfect. XD That would have been a boring movie, though.
7’s sword has a little hinge on the top, also… It's some sort of medical knife, or from a Swiss army knife. XD Maybe they found their weapons at the same time =P
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Post by Pickle on Oct 29, 2009 11:58:37 GMT -5
2's final words also suggested that none of them knew what it did... So if 9 hadn't put it in when he did, someone else might have done the same thing at a later time. They’re wiser, but not perfect. XD That would have been a boring movie, though. 7’s sword has a little hinge on the top, also… It's some sort of medical knife, or from a Swiss army knife. XD Maybe they found their weapons at the same time =P Well, of course they're wiser. They've had more life experiance. I'd actually say 9 is pretty clever for being only a few days old |D; I know it'd make a boring movie, I'm just saying others made mistakes too, 9's was just a lot more noticable |D; I'm sure others have noticed this, but I was looking at some concept art for 9, and I thought it was kinda funny that one part on one of the cat beast's back feet is an artist's compass. I know all the machines are made up of random utensils, but I just kinda found the fact that part of the cat beast's foot is a compass most interesting. Maybe =o I dunno. |
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Post by Annadesu on Oct 29, 2009 17:35:02 GMT -5
Sorry I wasn't clear XD What I meant to get at was... For one reason or another, the fab machine wasn't waking up until the talisman was used to activate him... I mean, it was under a flag, and other garbage, for a long period of time. I don't see that as something he would do on his own accord. Plus he started powering up, and sucking souls, almost right away when the talisman was inserted. Your theory is very possible, but I'm just saying... I doubt he would have ever "got up" without the talisman's help.
And I think the twins did draw that <3
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Post by Pickle on Oct 30, 2009 0:25:21 GMT -5
Sorry I wasn't clear XD What I meant to get at was... For one reason or another, the fab machine wasn't waking up until the talisman was used to activate him... I mean, it was under a flag, and other garbage, for a long period of time. I don't see that as something he would do on his own accord. Plus he started powering up, and sucking souls, almost right away when the talisman was inserted. Your theory is very possible, but I'm just saying... I doubt he would have ever "got up" without the talisman's help. And I think the twins did draw that <3 Couldn't the flag just have fallen while it was "sleeping"? (If it was long enough for 9's rope to wear away, it should be long enough for a giant flag to fall, along with other garbage to pile up) I think Cissy's (sorry if people call you something else, I still don't know too many people yet) theory could work. Point I'm trying to make is, since we don't know EXACTLY what could've/ would've happened, we can't say that all those death could've ONLY been caused by 9, so in a way, what he did MAY have been a good thing. Either way, he really didn't know what it was, and he just made a mistake, as the other characters did as well, so he is NOT stupid. Just because someone makes a mistake doesn't mean they're an idiot. We ALL make many mistakes, and not all of us are idiots, right? Anyways, I know this isn't anything really detailed I noticed, but was the coin in 1's hat an early penny? I haven't seen a picture of an early penny in a while, so if it wasn't, then I'm sorry |D; I was just wondering what kind of coin it was. |
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Post by tantopat on Oct 30, 2009 5:44:00 GMT -5
I think it may have been a coin design made up especially for the film.  I've checked around the internet, and the only coins I can find with 9 sides are a few that look nothing like his. Also, now that I think about it, perhaps it having 9 sides was just something that they decided would fit in well with the rest of the film. ^-^ |
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Post by Annadesu on Oct 30, 2009 8:51:30 GMT -5
I wasn't calling 9 stupid, I was just saying... for one reason or another, the talismen was needed to wake up Mr. Fab. It could have easily been 8, or the twins, or anyone else who was curious/uninformed. XD As for the coin... I agree that it's from an "alternate universe".  I think 1's staff might be a broken knitting needle... |
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Post by takwin on Oct 30, 2009 11:13:02 GMT -5
Back on the subject of alchemy (muahahaha I'm at it again) this screenshot shows the twins opening a book entitled "Annuals of Paracelsus." Paracelsus is a legendary alchemist who was believed to have discovered the philosopher's stone, as well as the formula to create a whole, living homunculus. See?  I love snooping out things like this. ;3 |
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Post by BazookaNeon on Oct 30, 2009 15:28:15 GMT -5
Aha! I think I finally realized something that can be used in 9's defense! Everyone knows of the terrible scene where 9 is N00b enough to put the Talisman into the Fab Machine. Well, if you watch, 9 crawls up and sees the Cat beast digging through the rubble. When the Cat Beast gets ready to put it in the Fab Machine, 9 is gone. The Beast hears something, and goes to investigate. It turns out to be 9 and 5 trying to wrench the cage open. So... Perhaps 9 didn't SEE the Talisman with the Cat Beast at all! He didn't know that the Cat Beast had wanted to do exactly the same, and therefore could not have known that it was a bad thing!  This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. I was pretty upset at the fact that it seemed no one had seen the Cat Beast almost insert the talisman. So the Fabrication Machine would still be awake, whether 9 had done it or not. If the Cat Beast didn't here them while they were trying to save 2, All three stitchpunks would have been dead. |
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I've checked around the internet, and the only coins I can find with 9 sides are a few that look nothing like his. Also, now that I think about it, perhaps it having 9 sides was just something that they decided would fit in well with the rest of the film. ^-^
I think 1's staff might be a broken knitting needle...
