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Post by The Double Rainbow Knight on Aug 20, 2010 22:58:28 GMT -5
Hey guys.
This little question has been nagging at me since I first saw the movie. It's impacted how I started to write my Magnum Opus, and it's been something that I've wondered about for months. I understand that there is probably no definitive answer, but I would appreciate to hear some thoughts on this subject...
Just how aware are the Stitchpunks of their creator, the Scientist?
It's hinted at that 1 knew about their creator if not the method of how they were made, and 2 is likely in the same boat. But 7 and the Twins look so shocked when 9 comes running up to them and tells them that they are pieces of the Scientists soul. Does that mean that 7 alone didn't know? But since the Twins didn't know either, does that mean that 5, 6, and 8 didn't either? Why not? Was there something about the way they woke up that was different? Did they even meet the Scientist? His journal suggests that he observed them before they left for the Emptiness. Then why are they so surprised to learn this? AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?!
So please. Lend me your thoughts, try to straighten out my misconceptions, and let us discuss.
Mods, if this is a new thread about an old topic, or is in the wrong place, please feel free to correct me.
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Post by OnionHead on Aug 21, 2010 4:03:41 GMT -5
Well, there was 5. According to the notes, he was aware of the Scientist and having total trust in him and possible interaction so it would be likely that 5 would remember. Or the case would be that the stitchpunks don't really realize they are pieces of the Scientist. Like when 9 had watched the holo-vid, his expression seems to have this astonished, look.
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Post by ~*~ShadowFox~*~ on Aug 21, 2010 8:09:15 GMT -5
I wrote about this theory in the "Multiple Viewings" thread, but I'll summarize my thoughts quickly here:
I believe that 1 was told about being a part of the Scientist's soul, but 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 weren't told, for whatever reason (maybe he knew he was short on time?). That way, when 9 was awakened and he was 'supposed' to see the message left, he wouldn't sound like a total nutcase when he told the others because 1 would support him. It'd be a whole "truth-revealing" moment.
They know the Scientist was there when they were awakened, but I don't think they bothered to question how they came to be. Their natural human soul just didn't care? Or the Scientist didn't give them the time to ask? Who knows.
It seems to me like a deeply hidden sub-plot, at any rate. 8\ Nice topic of discussion, Snowi.
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Post by Pazam on Aug 21, 2010 9:32:33 GMT -5
Hmmm...
Snowi-day, I think you make a pretty good point. How did the rag dolls get flabergasted when 9 told them that they are the pieces to the Scientist's soul, yet they were examined by the Scientist before he released them? Well, in his Facebook (yeah, he has a facebook. In the 30's. Very booming technology back then *smacked*) he said after creating 1 he included, "I think I will release him tomorrow." And that he didn't have a chance to examine all of them due to the war.
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...PLOT HOLE!
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Post by Mokyn on Aug 21, 2010 19:24:07 GMT -5
This is a bit difficult to gauge, since we don't know how much time has passed, but I've always assumed that the characters did know of the scientist, but didn't know that he was a part of their life energy. I've always speculated that 1 had somehow found out more, like how the Talisman that gives them life also gave life to the Machine which is destroying everything, and this has made him bitter. It can't be nice to come to the conclusion that the only reason you're alive is because everything is going to crap around you. (This may be why 1 doesn't like 6's drawings, because it's reminders of things he no longer cares about.)
Also, I think the others would be too worried to really have much time to dwell over memories of the scientist, and it wouldn't change their current predicament much anyway. So it's possible that they've just concluded that they should move on in their lives, and just forget about the scientist. Remember, he just lets them out into a war-torn world when they're practically newborns, it's not like he's really shown any sort of fatherly care for them.
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Post by Bane on Aug 21, 2010 20:58:15 GMT -5
Personally, I think that the stitchpunks were aware that the Scientist created them, but they were most likely unaware that they were his SOUL.
1 certainly seemed to know more about everything, so many the Scientist revealed it to him, but not to the others. How or why I am not sure, but it is plausible.
Think about it this way: You wake up strapped to some kind of strange device or in a giant's hand. Are YOU going to know he used his soul to create you if no one told you? It's a simple matter of putting yourself in their shoes (I... think?)
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Post by 6&7/MLP Fan on Aug 22, 2010 14:55:44 GMT -5
I agree with all of this info
I also agree with the theory that the Scientist expected 1 to be a leader and tell them all of their true purpose
But he didn't predict that 1 wouldn't comply with his demands, hiding the information from the others
Over the years, 1's mind twisted all of man's ideas and inventions into calling them all "dark science" as he did in the movie before ripping out part of the alchemy book in a last-ditch effort to keep the others in the dark and himself in control
But he didn't bank on 9 spoiling his whole day by drawing the conclusion that 1 sent 2 out to die because 2 was "pushing and probing" for information, and might have been on the brink of discovering their true origins, which might have knocked 1 from his high little tower of command, so he sent 2 out to die to keep himself in power
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Post by Annadesu on Aug 23, 2010 6:32:41 GMT -5
What Vance said. XD I think that he might have told 1 a...quick version of things, set him free, then made 2 and all the others. 6 and the twins might have seen some of his papers on the floor, or something, but I think most of them were released shortly after being made, so that he could finish them all in time before he got killed.
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Post by girthedoggy on Aug 31, 2010 16:06:40 GMT -5
Wow...this is so deep! But, I have to agree with what Pazam has to say, about 1 knew about how they were made. But, the rest of the stitchpunks didn't find out, because of the war. That, the Scientist just released them into the world, without telling them. So, they might've just implied that the Scientist was their creator, since he was the first living thing they probably saw. Since, usually, baby animals assume the first living thing they see, is their mom.
SORRY ABOUT MY RAMBLING!
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