To Save Us?

[Socky The Bold]

For a long while, it kinda bugged me that 9's title was "To Save Us" when his actions cost so many lives. Of course, that could be refering to life as a whole, in which case it makes a bit more sense, but still...

And then I had this idea. This kind of depressing idea.

The dead ones... Were they saved after all?

I mean, think about it. 1 was probably under a hell of a lot of stress, and his leadership was obviously crumbling. 2 was weakening, a victim of 1's misguided judgements, and would've probably died anyway. 5 was struggling under the oppression and unable to stand up for himself. 6 had all those horrible visions and was refused a listening ear. 8 was feared by most of the others and had to turn to his addiction for a release.

I just can't shake the feeling that they were all suffering in that cathedral.

And then, over the course of the movie, they had chances to change, to prove their worth...

And even with all the horrible things happening, it brought them together at last, as a family.

There are many ways in which you can save a person. Saving their life is only one of them.

Thoughts?

[6&7/MLP Fan]

Hmm, I never thought of it in that way...
I always thought about what 7 said about them being free.
Perhaps that's how they were saved?
But I think that was referring to them being trapped in the FabMac...

Or perhaps, their souls being released like that saved them from the hellish world they were living in; bombed out building, poison gas, not a great place...

I believe that your thoughts have great weight in this discussion, Socky.
^^

[WarriorSparrow]

I had been thinking something like that when I was pondering that same thing...

[Pisquared]

Perhaps but what about 7, the twins, and 9 himself? How have they been saved? They are now the only survivors out there, stuck in a dead world that can still possibly hold evil in it.....

[megsibuna ∞]

Ohh, this is BRILLIANT, Socky! I exalt you for your thoughts!

I do think that 9 rightly deserves his title, "To Save Us."

Aug 1, 2010 20:54:12 GMT -5 Socky The Bold said:

There are many ways in which you can save a person. Saving their life is only one of them.

I agree with this, completely. 9 didn't save the others in a physical means, but in other ways. The sitchpunks were not perfect, and, as we are, are trapped within themselves; there always seems like there's something holding them back.

Pompous 1 finally realized the errors of his ways, and was freed from his fear when he finally stood up and saved 9, in the end.
2 I'm not so sure, but he was not ever able to stand up against 1. 2 performed an incredibly unselfish act: he risked his life to protect 9, this newcomer.
If it wasn't for 9, 3&4 might have stayed within the confines of their library, their sacred sanctuary, and wouldn't have gone out to see the others.
5, like Socky said, "was struggling under the oppression and unable to stand up for himself." Until 9 came along, who: enlightened 5 about the follies of 1, and encouraged him to save 2 against all the odds.
9 listened to 6 and took his words seriously, when no one else did. This is an act of saving, similar to the scenario of standing up for someone when that person is always picked on by bullies (or something similar to this).
7 wouldn't have loosened up, and would have been independent forever...
8 would've always been a brute, always protecting 1 and no one else. But when the time called for it, 8 protected the others, showing that he actually does care for them, and would not let them die on his watch.

9 brought the stitchpunks out of their shells; saved them from themselves and their own inner demons.

[~*~ShadowFox~*~]

Aug 1, 2010 20:54:12 GMT -5 Socky The Bold said:

I mean, think about it. 1 was probably under a hell of a lot of stress, and his leadership was obviously crumbling. 2 was weakening, a victim of 1's misguided judgements, and would've probably died anyway. 5 was struggling under the oppression and unable to stand up for himself. 6 had all those horrible visions and was refused a listening ear. 8 was feared by most of the others and had to turn to his addiction for a release.

I just can't shake the feeling that they were all suffering in that cathedral.

And then, over the course of the movie, they had chances to change, to prove their worth...

And even with all the horrible things happening, it brought them together at last, as a family.

There are many ways in which you can save a person. Saving their life is only one of them.

Socky, I got a little chill when I read this. I've thought of that before - 9, not saving them physically, as in their lives, but saving them from themselves. They were all, I think, on a path of destruction because of everything that had transpired. Their little family was falling: 7 and the twins left, 1 sent 2 out to die, 6 was isolated, 5 was oppresed . . .

But 9, despite everything that happened, begin to fix that.

That brings me to 7, placing her hand on 9's shoulder and saying "thank you" during the gramaphone scene; not for saving her life, or 'defeating' the BRAIN, but for bringing everyone together as a family. It's the closest we get in the movie to everyone being together and enjoying each other's company.

[Mokyn]

I always thought it was just something marketing put together to make the movie sound so much better than it was, but wow, that's... deep. Awesome, too, but a lot to think about.

[Annadesu]

I like all these theories Personally, I always thought it depended on how you viewed 9's actions...

"To Save Us" could mean that he had to save the others after he screwed up and woke up Mr. Fab...

It could also mean that he had to save them from 1's poor leadership, and bring them back together as a group, or they ALL would have been destroyed in the end (no survivors at all).

It could also hint at what happens AFTER the movie ends. Meaning, after the fab is gone, it's 9's job to save the future of the planet, and help life return (if that's plant life or human, who knows?)

It could also be all of the above lol

[The Double Rainbow Knight]

I LOVE that idea, Sock. He saved them all as individuals, as well as gave them freedom from their old, unfortunate lives. Plus, as the end of the movie implies, 9 made sure that life will return to the world. So, he essentially saved the world as well.

[girthedoggy]

Well, he saved their souls. He tried the best that he could to make everyone happy, safe, and make things more fair, while 1 just tried to keep himself happy and everyone out of trouble. That's my thought.

[6&7/MLP Fan]

Or perhaps, as you'll soon find out in a certain story I'm working on, 9's job was to save everything by using the Talisman (which of course he didn't see the instructions regarding it) to pull the knowledge/lifesource of the BRAIN out of it and use it to rebuild the world...
Therefore, saving everyone...
^^

[BazookaNeon]

P.R.O.S.A.: *Pats 9 on the back* I exalt you :3

^ What the mustelid said. Sure, 9 may have accidently brought them into crisis, but it was his bravery and determination in which they began to stand up and face themselves to help in this crisis. Sure, most of them died, but in the end, they freed themselves. Thanks tah 9, that is :3

[Bane]

I always felt that 9 did save the others. They were obviously not very well off, in my opinion.

Socky, basically, everything you said is what I saw with the ones that died. Even though they were killed, it looks like they were at least happier before they passed on. So, in a way, they were saved.

And, ultimately, so was the fate of the world, if the GreenCellRain does bring things back after all. XD

[Pazam]

Baney-bane, I think the Soul Rain (my way of calling it) will bring back things. Thanks to our cute, wonderous, courageous, curious, naive, innocent, kindhearted, and hansome ragdoll.

[Perxio]

Aug 17, 2010 18:39:11 GMT -5 Pazam said:

Baney-bane, I think the Soul Rain (my way of calling it) will bring back things. Thanks to our cute, wonderous, courageous, curious, naive, innocent, kindhearted, and hansome ragdoll.

Thing about that is, all life on Earth would basically be reset, wouldn't it? I'm sure there are deep sea creatures and probably more than a few other amphibious-or-other-water-critters that didn't get killed off, but I don't think there's anyway the Soul Rain alone could bring back, say, most mammals and probably birds, let alone humans. There likely wouldn't be another creature to come around like man again for a long, long time. The only upside is that the stitchpunks probably wouldn't get bored with seeing life revive. Goodness knows the twins would get a kick out of everything every day.

Also...I guess if the others hadn't died in some way, they wouldn't have gotten that rain? Then life would've just been left to the animals in the most-completely isolated conditions and nine little stitchpunks. It's just a little disheartening to think that what's left of humanity itself is embodied by just four now. I guess that's one reason why the "you shall protect the future" line doesn't sit totally well with me- because I always saw the future being the stitchpunks themselves, and that future got cut down to about half. It's daunting to think that what's left of humanity's mind and soul I guess is four tiny creatures.

...this is why I don't like thinking of the ending too much. XD

But I agree with Socky's points...it's just- again- depressing to think that death was the solution. Of course they weren't particularly down about that but in the big picture it's still a bit dark. I mean, for the movie itself, I'd guess it'd be a cop out if ALL of them lived, but when you're taking into consideration that the very essence of what's good in humanity is cut down by quite a bit...

Argh my head.