Stitchpunks bleeding

[Inkweaver]

Most people like to contribute "Oil blood" for several reasons. First of all, its usually seen in art to add an effect of drama to a scene. I mean, seeing a stitchpunk with just a rip in his shoulder, wont pull as much emotion as a stitchpunk gushing oil everywhere from a wound, make sense? Plus, it does make things seem more painful, and for some people that don't fully understand stitchpunk anatomy, they figure "Okay, little mechanical things = bleed oil" which is totally fine, as they're using logic. Logically speaking, a stitchpunk would need a circulatory system of pumps to bring oil to the joints and such, not only to prevent rusting, but also it's the only logical way that they would be able to physically move. Of course the movie canon bypasses this by having the stitchpunks run on soul power, which accounts for both electric and oil power, leaving stitchpunks with the simplistic design that they have. However, for someone who wants a visual artist effect, wants to draw more emotion from prose or visual art, or someone roleplaying stitchpunks more logically with realistic builds, oil blood is necessary.

Hope this explanation was helpful~!

[redwhistle]

Jan 21, 2012 23:47:07 GMT -5 Inkweaver said:

Logically speaking, a stitchpunk would need a circulatory system of pumps to bring oil to the joints and such, not only to prevent rusting, but also it's the only logical way that they would be able to physically move.

A circulatory system wouldn't help them move, though; that would just be like them having blood vessels. In order for them to logically, mechanically move, they'd need the equivalent of muscles. In robotics, that's usually actuators. As far as I can tell, from a mechanical standpoint, there is... no physical way for them to move under their own power. XD The only thing that explains it is that supernatural forces -- their souls -- are literally animating them.

As for them bleeding -- as far as I'm concerned, a little artistic license never hurt anyone. XD I don't do the "oil blood" thing myself, but I think some artists and writers have used it to great effect. I love Shadow and Clover's "soul tinting" theory because a) it's just cool and b) there are no messy mechanics to wrap your head around. Win-win!

[Bivile]

I don't use "blood" for strict-canon peices, but I do for RPs and other...stuff :/
I like to think that, even if they don't physically bleed, their human souls/minds create a placebo effect that makes them feel like they are -- if that makes sence :B

[Inkweaver]

Jan 22, 2012 9:49:29 GMT -5 Bivile said:

I don't use "blood" for strict-canon peices, but I do for RPs and other...stuff :/
I like to think that, even if they don't physically bleed, their human souls/minds create a placebo effect that makes them feel like they are -- if that makes sence :B

That does make sense! I mean, technically all points considered they really shouldn't even feel pain, and in the movie they don't necessarily show extreme pain except for a couple grunts. Even when 7 gets shot in the leg, she just seems to get a little pissed off, and when 5 loses his eye he isn't screaming "AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH CREATOR DAMMIT MY EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYE."

However, in rp, to make it more relatable some people put this "placebo" of pain, oil/blood, and other things for effect.

[Bivile]

It makes a lot of sence for them to feel pain. If their humans souls provide them animation and feelings, it should also give them the ability to feel pain. In my opinion, their ability to feel pain it about that of a human's, given their human souls. I think the reason they were obviously appearing to be in pain when impaled or smacked against the ground is because their faces are somewhat difficult to read -- eyebrows don't move too much and the eyes are fixed. 7 flitched and curled her leg up while everyone in the universe was hanging off her wounded leg and 1 was obviously in a great deal of pain when he had his hand blown off.
Realateing this to the blood thing, I think that they may be able to "feel" blood running or muscel (fabic) ripping like a person would, even if that isn't really occuring. I tend to think of Stitchpunk very much as humans within a non-humman body. I admit I usually just write them in as "feeling" human...bodily fluids for dramatics. The mind is a powerful thing
This is probably streaching it, but I think 9 when he had his should ripped in the begining feel down like he did because "trauma" from the wound due to loss of his phsycological "blood". We all have batshit fandom theories.

[cattail97]

Hmm... Makes sense. BTW, what's an example of a fic that uses oil blood?

[Bivile]

I almost never read fanfictions unless I'm recommended or requested to read them, so I'm not aware of any outside my own. :I But they're definately not too uncommon.

[6&7/MLP Fan]

Jan 22, 2012 1:29:52 GMT -5 redwhistle said:

Jan 21, 2012 23:47:07 GMT -5 Inkweaver said:

Logically speaking, a stitchpunk would need a circulatory system of pumps to bring oil to the joints and such, not only to prevent rusting, but also it's the only logical way that they would be able to physically move.

A circulatory system wouldn't help them move, though; that would just be like them having blood vessels.

I think he meant the oil acting as a hydraulic fluid to transfer motion and force to the limbs, sorta like the braking system of a car that magnifies and transfers the force of your foot on the brake pedal, to the brakes on the wheels, all using hydraulic fluid
^^;;

And as for fics that use oil blood....I've written a few that involve it, but I see it more often in the RP board.

[Inkweaver]

Thank you for the more in depth explanation of what I was trying to say about the circulatory system!

But yeah, when it comes down to it, some people make them bleed, others do not- it's all a manor of preferance.

[Bivile]

I keep imagineing Stitchpunk making buss break "PPSSSTTTT" sounds when they stop suddenly now.

[~*~ShadowFox~*~]

^ LOL. Stitchpunk hydraulics. XD Too cute - that would've made the movie interesting for sure.

All this 'oil' talk is interesting, but I don't really like to associate them with robots, unless I absolutely have to. Because technically, they aren't. To call them just robots would be like taking two steps back after Shane and the development crew strived to put the human emotion in there.

Besides, the first definition of robot is 'A machine capable of carrying out a complex series of actions automatically'. If you wanna stretch it, the second definition is, '(esp. in science fiction) A machine resembling a human being and able to replicate certain human movements and functions'. But the word 'replicate' is in there. It's not legitimate human movements and functions.

I believe they're homunculi. Homunculi have their roots in alchemy, and the first definition is, 'A very small human or humanoid creature'. That pretty much fits the bill.

Using this, the transferring of souls, and the pseudo-science of alchemy (which I described on the previous page), I made my soul-tinting theory. 83 Like Red said, there seems to be absolutely no way for them to move on their own accord, so I fall back on what the movie gave us to work with: alchemy and all that comes bundled with it.

[Sock, Destroyer of Threads]

I simply constitute the soul into a sort of soul-bloodstream which is pumped around the stitch's body and powers their vitals. When a wound is exposed this soul begins to leak out of the system in a liquid form that is luminous green and tastes vile. I call it soulblood. :3

[JJ]

I can see why people use oil as a form of blood for dramatic scenes in fanart/fiction. It's not one I subscribe to personally, but it's an interesting theory ;D It just seems too complicated and impractical for the Scientist to have created an entire circulatory system for them. I just fall back on alchemy instead: the wizard/Scientist did it.

But I do think they feel pain as a remnant of human abilities passed on to the Stitchpunks. Part of the reason we have a nervous system is because on the chance that we are hurt, we KNOW about it, and fast. Just like us, if a Stitchpunk is damaged and has no way of knowing they are, they could continue damaging themselves until the wound becomes irreparable.