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Apr 29, 2011 15:33:54 GMT -5
Post by redwhistle on Apr 29, 2011 15:33:54 GMT -5
But, see, the thing about 9's fuck up was that it was LIKE all of 1's fuck ups except all occurring at the exact same moment in one huge moment of "DaDURP" which seems quite a bit worse when you compare them side by side. XD No way, dude. XD 1: Spends 50 years allowing his fear and resentment to govern his choices. Refuses to face a problem which he is fully aware he was created to face -- and while he might not know the exact details, he doesn't even try. Resorts to tactics of intimidation, manipulation, and indoctrination of his fellow beings to make sure they don't try, either. Actually attempts to end the life of one of the five remaining people on the planet (that he knows of) in his quest to stay well away from anything involving his purpose. "They left us with nothing. Why should we right their wrongs?" 9: Sees a shiny thing that fits into another shiny thing. Puts them together. OH 1, YOU ARE SO MESSED UP. I LOVE YOU. XD
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Apr 29, 2011 17:39:57 GMT -5
Post by Annadesu on Apr 29, 2011 17:39:57 GMT -5
Sorry, but... the deleted scene with 1 and 9... I just laughed. I was waiting for them to start making out, near the end of it. *killed*
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Apr 29, 2011 18:32:05 GMT -5
Post by Koh on Apr 29, 2011 18:32:05 GMT -5
Sorry, but... the deleted scene with 1 and 9... I just laughed. I was waiting for them to start making out, near the end of it. *killed* THIS!!! YEAH!!! *waves 1x9 shipper flag* I seriously thought they were going to make out too! XD They should have left that scene in the movie!!!! LOL
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Apr 29, 2011 19:16:22 GMT -5
Post by Ani on Apr 29, 2011 19:16:22 GMT -5
But, see, the thing about 9's fuck up was that it was LIKE all of 1's fuck ups except all occurring at the exact same moment in one huge moment of "DaDURP" which seems quite a bit worse when you compare them side by side. XD No way, dude. XD 1: Spends 50 years allowing his fear and resentment to govern his choices. Refuses to face a problem which he is fully aware he was created to face -- and while he might not know the exact details, he doesn't even try. Resorts to tactics of intimidation, manipulation, and indoctrination of his fellow beings to make sure they don't try, either. Actually attempts to end the life of one of the five remaining people on the planet (that he knows of) in his quest to stay well away from anything involving his purpose. "They left us with nothing. Why should we right their wrongs?" 9: Sees a shiny thing that fits into another shiny thing. Puts them together. OH 1, YOU ARE SO MESSED UP. I LOVE YOU. XD Granted, those are a lot of words, but when the first piece of advice 9 is given is essentially "Don't mess around with everything you see" 9 REALLY deserves a slap. Just for being so bone shatteringly stupid. But 1, that's more of the kind of guy that you shout "CURSE YOU" at while he flies away in his secret helicopter as his doom fortress explodes, as opposed to THE HERO jamming the Obviously Important MacGuffin into a slot in the ONE PLACE that EVERYONE said was NOT a very happy place at any point. Making the latter someone who needs a slap in the face, REGARDLESS of how sorry he feels for doing it, or how he made up for it. DURPNESS of that magnitude especially among a Saviour is not something that should be so easily tolerated. Especially when he killed more people than the Monstrous MAgnificent Bastard of 1 never actually managed to get his hands dirty. XD
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Apr 29, 2011 19:33:15 GMT -5
Post by Bane on Apr 29, 2011 19:33:15 GMT -5
I honestly don't think 9 was STUPID by any means, just incredibly naive. You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don't know what to do with it you make obvious mistakes. :/ Least that's my take on it.
I for one am happy with his 1acted and reacted, but... yeah, 9 getting at least a slap probably would have been acceptable too. XD
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Apr 29, 2011 19:55:22 GMT -5
Post by Ani on Apr 29, 2011 19:55:22 GMT -5
Well, yes, but the thing is, it was the FIRST bit of advice he was given by the first trustworthy person he met, and he just suddenly forgets about it. XD; It just infuriates me that he forgets with his ONLY conversation with the guy he was going to save. ^^;
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Apr 29, 2011 20:38:25 GMT -5
Post by redwhistle on Apr 29, 2011 20:38:25 GMT -5
Granted, those are a lot of words, but when the first piece of advice 9 is given is essentially "Don't mess around with everything you see" 9 REALLY deserves a slap. Just for being so bone shatteringly stupid. But 1, that's more of the kind of guy that you shout "CURSE YOU" at while he flies away in his secret helicopter as his doom fortress explodes, as opposed to THE HERO jamming the Obviously Important MacGuffin into a slot in the ONE PLACE that EVERYONE said was NOT a very happy place at any point. Making the latter someone who needs a slap in the face, REGARDLESS of how sorry he feels for doing it, or how he made up for it. DURPNESS of that magnitude especially among a Saviour is not something that should be so easily tolerated. Especially when he killed more people than the Monstrous MAgnificent Bastard of 1 never actually managed to get his hands dirty. XD Yes, yes, but. XD 1 IS A HERO, TOO. Or at least, he was supposed to be. Why should he be held to a different standard? It wasn't like the Scientist was all, OH WELL 9 WILL BE THE SAVIOR SO MY FIRST EIGHT CREATIONS ARE JUST FOR PRACTICE HURRRR. They were all supposed to work together and DO SOMETHING. They didn't. A lot of that (but not all of it) was because of 1. You can't blame 1 for being resentful. He was brought into the world to fix mistakes he didn't make. But it was still his choice to run from those problems, and then -- surprise! -- THEY WERE STILL THERE when 9 came along. 9 inherited them from 1 just as 1 inherited them from the Scientist. If 9 has (metaphorical) blood on his hands, then 1 has just as much, or more. I see your point about heeding 2's advice. But had 9 taken it to heart, he also wouldn't have gone to rescue him. And that would have been much worse -- the cat beast would have woken the Machine, and no one would know where all those new monsters were suddenly coming from or how to stop them. Sometimes you really DO need to mess around with stuff. TL;DR: 9 did something dumb in a moment of weakness when he should have known better. 1 did many dumb things over many many years in DECADES of weakness when he DID know better. They both understand their mistakes, and they're both sorry (by the end, anyway). And they're both heroes. Fallible heroes. Which are the best kind. :D but a sissy-boy slap fight between them would be really funnyAND THANK YOU KOH THEY SHOULD'VE TOTALLY MADE OUT
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Apr 30, 2011 9:21:54 GMT -5
Post by Annadesu on Apr 30, 2011 9:21:54 GMT -5
^ Have an exalt for character analysis *thumbs up* Also, lol sissy fight. Personally, I want to see 1 and 2 battle like those two old guys did in Pixar's "UP". Smacking each other with canes, and what not. But that's just me.
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Apr 30, 2011 11:21:40 GMT -5
Post by Ani on Apr 30, 2011 11:21:40 GMT -5
Don't forget throwing out their backs. XD They both have canes so I could see it happening. XD and with Duel of the Fates playing while they slooooowly fight their way around the cathedral. XD
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May 1, 2011 0:54:40 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 0:54:40 GMT -5
^YES. Oh God, YES. That would be HILARIOUS.
Anyway, basically what Redwhistle said. Can't put it any better than that, really.
And, um...I always saw 1 as the one who, as the first to come along, was destined to make mistakes for the others to learn from. And maybe this is just me, but I had always seen his and 2's extremely differing personalities as having been meant to balance each other out. They were supposed to be the older generation who helped out the younger ones, and showed both extremes of the human soul. One was cautious and intense, the other was brave and easygoing. Very different personalities, but had they learned to work together, imagine the good they could have done. Too bad it turned out the way it did...
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May 1, 2011 20:50:25 GMT -5
Post by Jazz on May 1, 2011 20:50:25 GMT -5
If you listen, he's kinda...making rasping, strained sort of noises, like he's being choked or he's struggling to hold on. I have just one thing to say to that. But, yeah, I noticed it, too. And another thing -- it also takes a long time for 2's soul to get sucked out. Now, there are, of course, two very reasonable explanations for this. When it comes to 2: this was the first time, so perhaps Fabby was inexperienced and wasn't quite sure how to do it? Also, we had to have time to go around and see everyone's shocked faces and let the thing sink in a little. As for 1's death: 9 had to have time to run up and grab the talisman. BUT I DON'T CARE ABOUT REASON RIGHT NOW. I don't know about you guys, but the main reason I love 1 so much is because he's so flawed and cowardly and stubborn and bitter. It makes him believable and shows that he's human. I don't condone what he did and I'd like to think I would have chosen something different, but I understand why he did what he did and why he would think it was a viable option, and, more than anything else, I feel sorry for him. That's why I like 9 so much, too, though in a different way, because he's not a bitter old coward -- he just...doesn't always think before he acts. Rapid topic switch in three...two...one...SOMEONE OUGHT TO DRAW THAT OLD-MAN FIGHT SCENE. IT WOULD BE EPIC. XDD And maybe this is just me, but I had always seen his and 2's extremely differing personalities as having been meant to balance each other out. They were supposed to be the older generation who helped out the younger ones, and showed both extremes of the human soul. One was cautious and intense, the other was brave and easygoing. Very different personalities, but had they learned to work together, imagine the good they could have done. Too bad it turned out the way it did... I never thought about that applying to 1 and 2 before, but you're right. As the two oldest, they would naturally take leadership positions over the younger stitchpunks, and therefore probably provided for quite a lot of learning opportunities over the years. What I have thought a lot about, though, is how this concept applies to 1 and 7. My theory is that 7 and 1 are too much alike to get along. They both have tempers and strong beliefs: 7 is convinced that 1 is trying to jail them and 1 thinks it's a terrible idea to go out and try to fight something that's so much bigger than they are, and it would be much smarter to just wait it out. Both of them have good points, and if they had managed to find a way to overcome their differences or combined them into something more balanced, they would have been a serious force to be reckoned with. In my opinion, 7 herself said it best in Redwhistle's fic Vox Humana: Read it, peoples. It's seriously awesomesauce.Well, now that I've written another text wall...I have nothing more to say. ^^;
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May 1, 2011 23:17:53 GMT -5
Post by redwhistle on May 1, 2011 23:17:53 GMT -5
And, um...I always saw 1 as the one who, as the first to come along, was destined to make mistakes for the others to learn from. I LOVE THAT. XD I never thought about it that way, but it's true. It's never easy to be the first in anything, is it? You're bound to mess up. And what you said about 1 and 2 is pretty much the way I've always thought of them as well which is part of the reason I love them as a pairing. XDAND JAZZ YOU ARE MAKING ME BLUSH. XDDDDDD My theory is that 7 and 1 are too much alike to get along. They both have tempers and strong beliefs: 7 is convinced that 1 is trying to jail them and 1 thinks it's a terrible idea to go out and try to fight something that's so much bigger than they are, and it would be much smarter to just wait it out. Both of them have good points, and if they had managed to find a way to overcome their differences or combined them into something more balanced, they would have been a serious force to be reckoned with. As I'm sure you know, I'm totally with you on all of this. There was a recent conversation about this in 7's thread as well, where we were talking about how she would've listened to 1 if she'd actually agreed with him. I love how flawed 1 is, as well. And how, as stubborn and cowardly as he is, he really does care about the other guys. He wants what's best for them -- he just happens to feel that what's best for them is to obey him unconditionally. :P I also think his relationships with 2, 7 and 9 are the most interesting ones in the movie. I could go on and on and on about this, but... really, I've spammed this thread enough. XD
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May 1, 2011 23:21:49 GMT -5
Post by JuliaPhobia on May 1, 2011 23:21:49 GMT -5
...I want to draw 1 vs 2 right now. I do it later...>>
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May 14, 2011 14:13:16 GMT -5
Post by Ani on May 14, 2011 14:13:16 GMT -5
It occurs to me in a weird way that if 1 had an SS uniform, it would probably suit him remarkably well... In his scary authoritarian sense I mean. XD;
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May 23, 2011 21:25:26 GMT -5
Post by Annadesu on May 23, 2011 21:25:26 GMT -5
YOU FOOLS! Sorry, I had to XD *killed*
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