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Mar 15, 2009 19:54:53 GMT -5
Post by dimitroff on Mar 15, 2009 19:54:53 GMT -5
A day of excruciating difficulty and torment brings beings together better than a lifetime of knowing each other in peace.
More likely than not, romance will play a significant part, even if it will be strenuous.
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Mar 15, 2009 20:09:45 GMT -5
Post by balisong on Mar 15, 2009 20:09:45 GMT -5
A day of excruciating difficulty and torment brings beings together better than a lifetime of knowing each other in peace. WOW, that's just...wow. I have so many issues with what you just said there. To put it nicely, I could not disagree with you more. That's not love - that's infatuation brought on through high levels of emotion and body chemicals. You don't learn more about people in a shorter span of time just because you got to see them at their most stressful, and you certainly don't learn more about them that way than you would in any sort of lifetime. If you're talking about loyalty, yes, war can instill a sense of loyalty in a group of soldiers, but that doesn't mean that they know each other beyond actions - they could still emotionally stab one another in the back after wartime and never see it coming. And this process is not comparable to the act of falling in love with a person beyond what I described above - infatuation.
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Mar 15, 2009 20:59:38 GMT -5
Post by dimitroff on Mar 15, 2009 20:59:38 GMT -5
Did I ever say love? It all depends to the level you break it down to...
There are many factors in such an argument. You say that such an infatuation is brought on through the patterns in our brain that make up emotions, as well as the hormones and chemicals that affect the decisions we make. But for some, these things are all there is to a human being, just trillions and trillions of particles, for some strange reason imitating one another and creating these wondrous patterns. But on the other hand, the ragdolls we are talking about are not nearly human beings as we have come to view human beings lately. They are a soul bound to an inorganic body, whatever this soul may be. Not even that, they appear to be fragments of a single human being's soul. For all we know, they may each simply represent different elements and aspects of a human being, perhaps incomplete even.
I am not defending myself, but merely saying that it is difficult to make arguments like these concerning creatures so vastly different from ourselves.
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Mar 15, 2009 21:27:18 GMT -5
Post by balisong on Mar 15, 2009 21:27:18 GMT -5
We were discussing romance though, so no offense, but it really wasn't a far cry for me to connect what you said with love. You say that such an infatuation is brought on through the patterns in our brain that make up emotions, as well as the hormones and chemicals that affect the decisions we make. But for some, these things are all there is to a human being, just trillions and trillions of particles, for some strange reason imitating one another and creating these wondrous patterns. There's no "but for some" in that argument for me, since as an atheist that is the basis of how I regard humans act, as a result of their chemical makeup. And that is where emotions come from. Infatuation, however, is still different from love, in that the first implies an unknown, while the second implies a level of knowing and trust. Therefore, for me personally, I always think of such romances in movies as shallow and pandering to what the "audience" in a broad sense wants, and I would hate to see it tacked on again to yet another movie that didn't need it. Because, yes, the ragdolls are a different form of life, but is the story really going to spend a good portion of the movie explaining why a romance is evolving and how it's evolving inside the bounds of what the characters are and how they work? I still stand by my original statement on this thread that a romance, no matter how fleeting, in this movie would be out of place (though my original argument was more of a feminist one...).
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Mar 17, 2009 22:46:42 GMT -5
Post by Kittanimate9 on Mar 17, 2009 22:46:42 GMT -5
hmmm...i kinda think that 7 might go for 9 (or the other way around, most likely) just because it's classic new boy meets girl thing...or 5 or 8.
anyways, i think 7 is one of the most important characters because she's one of the only females (3 or 4??) if not <i>the</i> only, but she's almost kind of tomboyish, so she might not have interest in love.
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Mar 19, 2009 19:39:15 GMT -5
Post by Naomi22 on Mar 19, 2009 19:39:15 GMT -5
I think that there be love in the movie. But I don't think is big love like ya know, they probably show sence of the characters obviously falling in love. For 9 and 7 I think it would be cute if they did fall in love but just hug and suff. I would like like to see that.^^ But then again ,you're right that 7 is sort of like a tomboy she may not be interested.
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Mar 22, 2009 16:25:28 GMT -5
Post by yoyobionicle on Mar 22, 2009 16:25:28 GMT -5
It's a thing I noticed with some movies. They almost always have more males than females... Hee hee-- clearly you haven't seen Silent Hill. The first script was sent for rewrites with the question "why are there no men in this film?!" ... So a husband character was added, and a detective. Voila.
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Mar 22, 2009 16:37:29 GMT -5
Post by dimitroff on Mar 22, 2009 16:37:29 GMT -5
On point. But Silent Hill was a rather feminine film in general.
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Mar 24, 2009 11:40:26 GMT -5
Post by IndigoRose on Mar 24, 2009 11:40:26 GMT -5
Hmm, I think tomboys can still be interested in romance, and I can see the movie delving into some of the relationships, otherwise they would alienate a large section of viewers. I'll stay neutral on this point until more content is released.
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Mar 24, 2009 12:15:37 GMT -5
Post by yoyobionicle on Mar 24, 2009 12:15:37 GMT -5
7 is interesting to me because she's both a fighter and, judging from her smile, a very warm-hearted character as well. Female characters are too often one or the other-- if a girl is going to be a fighter, then apparently she has to be cold and uncaring and very "I'm-in-charge-now-shove-off". It's the 'Steel Magnolia' image, I suppose. 7 doesn't seem to be this way, which is positively marvelous, says I. Now that the human world where females are considered weak is no more, I guess she has nothing to prove.
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Mar 24, 2009 12:46:41 GMT -5
Post by IndigoRose on Mar 24, 2009 12:46:41 GMT -5
I just hope people don't start swinging around accusations of her being a Mary Sue this early. Fortunately, it doesn't look like it.
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Mar 24, 2009 13:36:26 GMT -5
Post by Zenoah on Mar 24, 2009 13:36:26 GMT -5
I can see her being gentle and such but when it comes to her job, I can picture her becoming a tough fighter and having the 'I need to win' attitude. Im still in awe that she's not the damsel in distress character, being captured and all that.....
That's 2's job. *hides from 13*
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Mar 24, 2009 20:51:03 GMT -5
Post by Naomi22 on Mar 24, 2009 20:51:03 GMT -5
Yeah I think 7 is a heart-warming charater and you can tell by the sound of her voice, it's sound so soft.
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Apr 5, 2009 21:48:41 GMT -5
Post by frozenflame on Apr 5, 2009 21:48:41 GMT -5
7 seems really interesting to me. There does appear to be that more warm, gentle quality somewhere in her demeanor. Female characters are too often one or the other-- if a girl is going to be a fighter, then apparently she has to be cold and uncaring and very "I'm-in-charge-now-shove-off". It's the 'Steel Magnolia' image, I suppose. ^ yes, agreed 100%, and I'm pretty fed up with that, too. It'd be really nice if we saw a departure from this in 7 - I'm not counting on it - but I'm very curious about it, and I'm finding her rather intriguing as a result. It would make her that much more awesome.
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Apr 20, 2009 8:47:55 GMT -5
Post by Ozymandias on Apr 20, 2009 8:47:55 GMT -5
Hello thread, time to bring you back from the dead.
Um, for those of us who are Hayao Miyazaki fans, does anyone else get a serious Nausicaa vibe from 7? (Princess Nausicaa from Nausicaa and the Valley of the Wind). The two characters strike me as quite similar. Both are strong fighters and Nausicaa has a soft side to her (Not sure if Seven does yet).
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