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Post by Bane on Oct 22, 2011 23:46:44 GMT -5
A small discussion between two people on my Tumblr dashboard got me thinking... how DOES everyone here chose to see stitchpunk affection? Do you think it's the same as humans? Or do you think they have something completely different?
For example.
I, personally, don't portray stitchpunks kissing around other stitchpunks. I only do so when the couple in question is alone, and to me it's the most intimate action they can perform before THINGS. They generally don't kiss on the lips, but when they do it's a very private action, although kisses on the forehead and cheek are sometimes more common.
Below that is optic clinking, almost like a mini kiss that they generally do alone, or with few people around. Much like human kisses on the cheek, this can be done with relatives most of the time.
And the most common display of affection is nuzzling, foreheads and cheeks generally, though just shoulders or full body is also common. This form of affection can be given to... well, anyone they are close to.
And, of course, there is hugging and holding hands, which are generally the most MOST common.
As for like... rituals... not much in the way of dates, since what else can you do aside from scout the emptiness? XD They generally just spend time together instead.
And, finally, I kinda see them having... SOME way to show they're mates, but not like a big wedding ceremony or anything like that. I can see it for certain groups in certain situations, but I see more like... something simple.
I just have them exchange armbands to wear. *shrug*
So, does anyone else have some interesting thoughts on this? I am VERY interested to see everyone's thoughts on this.
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Post by Lady-Moth on Oct 23, 2011 0:45:34 GMT -5
Well, I personally love the optic-touching. It sorta feels, erm...intimate? For lack of better word. (Moreso if one of the two is a twin...takes a lotta trust to not be scared the twin will flash a light in their eyes.)
There's holding hands, little kisses...I kinda like the idea of some stitchpunks rubbing each others' shoulders.
And while I do like the idea of there being some sort of ceremony for a marriage, I have no idea what it could be. XD I don't think they do it like we do, Christian wedding or something. Although an rp my friend P-tan and I were in had our stitch-OCs go to "their spot," exchange tiny home-made rings and "promise to stick together."
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Post by JuliaPhobia on Oct 23, 2011 11:28:23 GMT -5
--Optic touching --Scouting together, as a form of trust --Rubbing together (NON-SEXUALLY) in the way cats do, like rubbing shoulders --Finger touching, like their fingers are pecking at each other --Piggybank rides! --Building something together
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Post by redwhistle on Oct 23, 2011 12:06:41 GMT -5
Want to hear something hilarious? Before I joined the fandom, when I was first working all of this out, I had the idea that they didn't kiss on the mouth. At all. XD My logic was that, their lips being fabric, it would be kind of weird and uncomfortable for them, and also if they did it too much their lips would actually start showing wear and tear. XDD
BUT I HAVE CHANGED MY MIND SINCE THEN, and now I'm all like, screw it, they kiss. XD Still, in my mind it's not exactly like human kissing -- it would be modified a bit for the fabric vs. flesh issue. Also I can't convince myself that they have tongues... I don't mind when other people write them that way, but personally I just can't.
I also love the idea of them touching optics, foreheads, etc., nuzzling, and the general hugging and holding hands. I agree with you, Bane, in that they'd generally be pretty private about most displays of affection -- although I'd definitely make some exceptions for certain characters and situations.
Dates... yeah, can't really see them having those, at least not in "serious" fic, but I'd totally do it in crackfic or for the lulz. Spending time together sounds about right. Same with marriage. The only way I'd ever see them doing something as formal as getting married would be if their society developed to a point where there was a very large population, enough so that things like culture, written laws, and possibly even religion started to emerge. Otherwise I think they'd just be together with a minimum of fuss. Maybe declare each other mates, exchange trinkets, things like that.
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Post by Azvolrien on Oct 23, 2011 13:55:21 GMT -5
I think this is one of those things where it would vary widely depending on their character. For example, I don't think 7 would be particularly demonstrative with her mate (whichever stitchpunk you like to think that is) if other people were watching, while 5 - being the touchy-feely guy he is - would probably be a bit more open to public snuggles. As for 1, much as I love the guy, I don't think he'd be too keen on any kind of PDA no matter how much he loved his partner.
That said, I have noticed a few rough themes in my fanfics. Kissing on the lips or neck is generally (but not always) a private thing while kissing on the forehead or cheek is something intimate, but not in such a way that your average person would mind someone seeing it. Touching optics together also seems to be quite common; sort of one step above hugging and hand-holding on the intimacy-o-meter.
As for rituals etc... I'm like Red, I don't think it's something a small tribe of ten or so people would worry about. Just spending time together would probably be enough. They know that they're mates; what does it matter if somebody else doesn't?
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Post by JuliaPhobia on Oct 23, 2011 14:02:03 GMT -5
And I don't support the idea of Stitchpunk marriage. It seems...odd for me. I imagine them simply confirming their mateship (nonsexually).
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Post by deadgirlspainting on Oct 23, 2011 20:04:01 GMT -5
Well to be honest I tend to think of them doing things like kissing on the lips, check, and the forehead. I can also doing things like holding hands, hugging, cuddling, touching foreheads, and maybe in even sleeping in the bed, well depending on what they use a bed.
As for stitchpink marriage I don't really mind the idea. Like you guys said they could just have thier version of it, where the couple involved see themselves mates or something like that, but I have seen fanworks and had RPs where the find information about how humans used to do the marriage thing and decided to give it try.
As for dates, they wouldn't really have much to do. To me the closest thing they could probably get to a date if they're a lucky is find a old movie with a still work projector. Though I do wonder what Stitchpunk would think of human romance movies, but I guess depending on who the stitchie they could range from liking them to thinking their stupid. XD Though I think it would be kind of awkward to ask 3 and 4, "Hey could put a romantic movie on for us?" XD
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Post by Jazz on Oct 23, 2011 20:07:58 GMT -5
Such a fascinating question... *taps chin* XD
I agree with the signs of affection already listed around here and add that I'm not really in support of stitchpunk marriage, either -- at least until, as Red said, their society develops and culture, etc. comes into play. Or dating, though, as Julia said, scouting together does show trust and could be very cute.
As for the physical interaction stuff, touching optics in particular just...gets me. <3 I also like to think of couples cuddling (though this could also be a thing between friends) and sleeping curled up together (again, also a friends thing).
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Post by chihuahuarocks on Jan 26, 2012 12:20:12 GMT -5
I have to agree with all of you! As things develop as with people thousands of years ago,they will eventually develop ideas,rituals,etc... I like the PRIVATE thing. Sure yea they show affection nuzzling,touching optics,and what not but I'm saying this in a serious way. I think sex IS a private thing and it shows their passion for each other so I don't see anything wrong if they do it PRIVATELY. They have a human soul in them so they basically must have some human aspects in them. Hope this helped a little in this conversation.
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Post by 13thescribe on Feb 26, 2012 14:42:15 GMT -5
This is definitely a subject where things can vary greatly from person to person, as well as stitchpunk to stitchpunk. For pyrposes of my own fanfictions, I would tend to make kissing on the lips (among other things) something they would not usually do around others. I do find the idea of nuzzling, cuddling, etc. ridiculously cute and something that others, paired or not, wouldn't necessarily mind (though for some reason I do imagine 1 having a slight problem with it... ^^; ). As for "dating", I imagine various forms of nonsexual bonding, varying depending on which stitchpunk you're talking about. This could mean anything from scouting the Emptiness to reading a book to (one of my personal favorites) simply snuggling by a warm fire. God, I'm such a hopeless romantic...
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Post by Sock on Feb 26, 2012 16:53:09 GMT -5
The optic clinking is an adorable thought! So is nuzzling and holding hands X3 I also like the idea of them scouting together as a form of trust. Stitchpunk marriage... ehhhno. Can't see it. It's too... odd for me. I CAN, however, see them giving something to the other as a form of "we're together now, so here's an important object to show our togetherness, which you'd better not lose or else I'll cheat on you and embarrass you in front of your friends" thing. c: And yes, inappropriate showings of affection are better left for that secret hiding can in that one room of that one building down that one street. XD
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Post by The Double Rainbow Knight on Feb 26, 2012 17:07:46 GMT -5
Lemme see... I think it depends on the type of relationship.
Displays of physical affection between friends can be anything from hugging, nuzzling, arm clinging, pats, maintained contact (hands on shoulders, etc.) or even hand-holding if they like. It mostly depends on what the two friends are comfortable with. Affection between mates though can be pretty much anything in my book. Kisses on the cheek, forehead, lips, hand, etc., hugs, cuddles, arm clings, hand-holding, optic-clinking, nuzzlings, all are good, publicly speaking. Privately, there can be make outs, intimate touches, and other such THINGS.
Socially? Scouting and scavenging missions are nice, as is lookout. If one or the other is inclined to inventing/building, creating something together could be sweet. Exploring the Emptiness works too, though I imagine it'd be a little less casual, much more tense. Battling too, if the two are confident enough for it.
I don't really like the idea of deliberate DATING between Stitchpunks, mainly because I sort've see them as too busy surviving to actively pick and choose and go through the rigors of dating. They tend to gravitate pretty quickly to potential mates, in my head. "Break ups" are possible, but unlikely in my mind unless they REALLY want or need to -- since there aren't too many Stitchpunks to begin with, and leaving based on dissent would cause problems in that survival situation.
Marriage... I don't really like the idea of an official ceremony type thing. Call me strange but it seems too formal. The way it works in my head is that two dolls simply decide to be mates for as long as they like, and inform anyone else about their status as needed. Some Stitchpunks could go in for marriage -- for instance, my doll 16 would want to get married, and most likely exchange small tokens symbolizing that bond. Again though, it depends on the couple. All of this depends on what they like, really.
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Post by JJ on Feb 26, 2012 21:35:21 GMT -5
I find this a really interesting subject So many people have so many interpretations of it. Personally I don't think creatures in a dangerous post-apocalyptic world would entertain the idea of 'dating' but would rather naturally be drawn to one another and spend time together, bonding over things like work or scouting or just generally talking and spending time together. There's the usual nuzzling, hand-holding, rubbing cheeks ( face cheeks guys, face cheeks), touching, clinking optics together and general closeness that indicates affection. I usually have them kiss to the cheek, but rarely on the lips since (with the exception of 5/whoever his mate would be) because it's just too awkward a positioning XD Their optics constantly get in the way. In my mind they would take a more lax attitude towards them actually becoming mates. Some would just declare it, and that's that. Others would seek a symbol of some kind to show their devotion. It's usually something difficult to find or hard to achieve to prove their worth to their mate (for example, 9 tracked down the ring-lure held by the Dune Beast and gave it to 7, who regarded it as a trophy and hung it on a nail in their room). The marriage issue ... eeeeeeh not too keen. It just seems too official. I can see there being a brief ritual to seal them as mates, but nothing to stern, and none of the whole dress-and-tuxedo treatment like humans do. I've seen some fanart joking about this, but the ones that seriously put them in a dress and tuxedo to get married ... nah thanks.
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Post by --[Evayo-∞-Infinity]-- on Feb 26, 2012 22:24:30 GMT -5
( I'm going to focus on the issue of dating and marriage here rather than actual physical displays of affection, so please forgive me. XDD;; )
I've always been very interested in the ways stitchpunks display affection to each other, be it as friends, lovers, what-have-you. Personally, I think it very much depends on which angle you approach it from and why. I mean, as JJ said, living in a post-apocalyptic world where danger lurks around every corner isn't exactly the greatest environment for romance. XD But it seems a lot of people who don't support the idea of stitchpunk dating or marriage are the ones who assume that the threat of the beasts will persist after the Fabrication Machine's ultimate demise.
I can certainly understand why, but let's assume for the moment that the beasts no longer exist. The original eight who were locked in the cathedral had every reason and every right to not concern themselves with any semblance of romance, but that was because the Cat Beast was scouring the ruins for them. In my opinion, I think it's more than possible for them to embrace this aspect of humanity following the events of the film, be it between 9 and 7 or any new stitchpunks that may, by any multitude of circumstances, enter the picture.
If I may use Infinite 9 as an example, this is precisely what happens. I will preface this by saying that my interpretation of "marriage" among stitchpunks is not to be necessarily associated with our idea of marriage as human beings. It's a union of two individuals that's just as meaningful but does not require a big elaborate ceremony to take place. If anything, making a marriage official in the colonist's culture and society is a much more private matter meant only to be shared by the individuals themselves.
But regardless of HOW it's done, stitchpunk dating and marriage is certainly possible in a world that pretty much belongs to them. I would never expect any of the canons to be concerned with such things while under 1's rule, but those were different times. As 9 said at the end of the film, "This world is ours now. It's what we make of it." And if they wanted to even remotely stay true to their purpose, if they wanted to even attempt to honor the Scientist's wishes, I'd think they'd want to carry on the legacy of mankind, to give it a second chance. The mistakes of one man do one reflect the species as a whole, and I think they'd recognize that and would build their culture around the remnants of what facets of human culture they can honor. Romantic bonds between individuals just seems like an obvious choice to me. After all, for what purpose do humans exist if not to love?
As stitchpunks are the progeny of mankind, I think it's perfectly acceptable for them to want to unite their people in a way that honors them. However, as with many things in the world of 9, it's entirely up to the interpretation of the fans. Infinite 9 is just one possible future out of many, almost countless others people can come up with. And if they believe in different methods of affection, or none at all, it's their choice. :3
( ...That turned out to be much longer than I thought. I apologize. XDDD;; )
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Post by redwhistle on Feb 26, 2012 23:42:47 GMT -5
rubbing cheeks ( face cheeks guys, face cheeks) Thanks, JJ. Now all I can think of is this: I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY.
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